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As I said I would... Pictures of the Ceramic Coated Exhaust (waiting for it to dry before starting it and putting front up so I can do the front lil bendy exhaust peice and the header. IF i have enough left might go back and do the heat shields too.. i mean.. thats really the purpose of it anyway.

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WET THUMB PRINT STILL... annoying..

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still wet in some spots

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midpipe second muffler and second cat meeting

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So it isn't really ceramic coating then, just very high temperature paint. I've used this on the muffler on my motorcycle, it doesn't last worth anything.

Wish I had realized that they didn't even paint the exhaust when I bought it, I would have grabbed a couple cans of VHT paint and sprayed it a long time ago. A real ceramic coating would have been nice, but the stuff is exceptionally expensive, $100 for about three feet of exhaust header for my motorcycle.

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Yikes! I definitely will not be using this, then. It's just so crazy that you guys have to do this to save your exhaust system. My cavalier is 11 and a half years old, 157700 miles and just now starting to have some exhaust problems. My mom had a 1998 dodge caravan that ran 500,000 miles over 8 years with the original exhaust system (minus the cat) and still sounded fine when she got rid of it. I don't know if it was rusty or not though. :/ But, in this day and age, there should be NO REASON why an exhaust system should last less than 5 years even in the salty wintery mess of the midwest. Now, if this was 1973, that might be a different story.

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It has stuff in it, but it is not a real ceramic coating. That stuff would burn right off the headers on my motorcycle, even through the header wrap (because it did). The only things that really withstand the heat are real ceramic exhaust coating and header wrap insulation. Some powdercoats will survive on the muffler of this motorcycle. The real ceramic reduces a huge amount of heat transfer, but it must be sprayed on similar to powder coat, and then melted in a kiln like oven (again similar to powdercoat).

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From what I've been reading at other forums, the rust on you guy's exhaust system is strictly surface rust. It might take several years for it to actually get holes. Short trips (this is generally a "short trip" car) apparently causes the development of rust as well since the condensation in the piping doesn't clear out all the way. When people start reporting actual exhaust leaks after only a year or so, then we have a SERIOUS problem.

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mine was cured and has been on the header without flaw for around 250 miles. new trans coming in.. pissed at my dealer for letting my car get hit in their parking lot and saying it didn't happen there so now im having them send me 36 hours of camera footage to watch myself... fucking hate new vehicles.. this is why i normally don't buy new vehicles.. completely devirginized this spark and makes me want nothing to do with it anymore.

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I said it in another thread, IMO most dealers are buildings filled with thieves. That could maybe get changed to some dealers but I'll hold that judgement until I find one that actually gives a damn and is honest. It may only be that the upper level people are the problem.

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yeah ive lost all interest... the chevy district specialist is supposed to call today because the chevy dealership back home (as Greg said is one of those big dealerships.. that has REAL people not thieves in it (or atleast not to me) they told me run up chain of command and call GM headquarters let them get aware. They called the dealership while i was on the phone with GM HQ they put me on hold to call the dealer (good shit right there i was impressed) Hopefully it gets sorted. Otherwise next time I might not dodge that 6 point buck like i did last night.

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Why paint the exhaust? Its 409 stainless with an aluminized coated 409 stainless muffler. It will last pretty much the lifetime of the car. 409 will develop a scale but doesnt rot out

Good info, man! You've definitely restored my faith in the reliability of these cars. :) I guess for some reason, it just looks worse than it actually is. It's a part of the car you don't really see anyway.

Here's a quote from a website about 409 stainless about corosion:

Grade 409 resists atmospheric and exhaust gas corrosion. A light surface rust will form in most atmospheres; this rust retards further corrosion but makes the surface undesirable for decorative applications.
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Im an exhaust fabricator for a living. Catalytic converters produce a little acid as a byproduct which eats regular mild or aluminized coated steel within a few years. So all manufacturers use at least 409ss for their exhausts. Usually the germans use 304.

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I said it in another thread, IMO most dealers are buildings filled with thieves. That could maybe get changed to some dealers but I'll hold that judgement until I find one that actually gives a damn and is honest. It may only be that the upper level people are the problem.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that. I had a $300 Escort radar detector taken from a vehicle I had in for service a while back. The owner didn't ague the fact, just cut me a check. Must not have been the first time!

pissed at my dealer for letting my car get hit in their parking lot and saying it didn't happen there so now im having them send me 36 hours of camera footage to watch myself...

Interested to hear the outcome of this one!

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Simple rule, don't leave anything in your car that you want to keep when you get it back, including change, iPod, sunglasses, etc. As far as your car getting damaged, that's something that you could end up having to take to arbitration or small claims court, depends on how the dealer and GM customer relations deals with these matters. Maybe we should all be taking pictures of our cars before they go in for service?

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I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that. I had a $300 Escort radar detector taken from a vehicle I had in for service a while back. The owner didn't ague the fact, just cut me a check. Must not have been the first time!

Interested to hear the outcome of this one!

Well.. GM's district specialst is involved in this and will be calling me on Wed. I ran it up the chain of command because I told them then 3 days later they kinda told nothing happened in the their lot... and then fed me the "well if your car did get hit here it's kind of like a Walmart parking lot if you get hit there Walmart doesn't cover it" to which my reply was

"The same way I'm responsible for your loaner car is the same way I'm making you responsible for my car. I didn't have it in my possession it was in YOUR possession YOU had MY keys YOUR guys were driving MY car...."

the subject changed from there... anyway.. I will be waiting anxiously and BTW the black was also cuz it looks cool.. JDM yo.. I'm just kidding.

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The muffler is without question not any kind of stainless steel! Pictures to prove it in another thread about rust.

As far as I can see...no picture of the muffler...but your flange is rusting. Thats pretty typical...most lower end cars use plain steel for flanges. Nissans and infinitis are notrious for flange rot/breakage due to plain steel material. I fix usually 1-4 a week.

The muffler would fall off in 2-3 years if it werent stainless. ;)

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As far as I can see...no picture of the muffler...but your flange is rusting. Thats pretty typical...most lower end cars use plain steel for flanges. Nissans and infinitis are notrious for flange rot/breakage due to plain steel material. I fix usually 1-4 a week. The muffler would fall off in 2-3 years if it werent stainless. ;)
So, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to just coat certain parts of the exhaust system?
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